« NGS' Glebe House Sold | Main | Genealogy Conference in Western Michigan »

August 29, 2004

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c767353ef00e55065e3488833

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Family Tree Maker 2005:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Dick,

Just a few comments based on my reading of your review.

DE: "Family Tree Maker has a long and convoluted "ancestry." This program has been owned by more companies than I can remember. In the early summer of 2004, it was acquired by MyFamily.com, the owners of Ancestry.com."

Paul: The acquisition actually happened in the spring of 2003.

DE: "Do you have a scanned image of a marriage record or a census entry? If so, you can enter that image as part of the source citation. That is an excellent method of citing one's sources!"

Paul: That's been around since version 9.

DE: "Family Tree Maker 2005 also seems to have a true sources database. That is, if you use the same source citation in the records of 75 people, you do not need to enter the source citations 75 times. Even better, if you ever want to change or add more information about a particular source, you do not need to do that 75 times. Instead, you find the single source citation and edit that one item. All 75 entries that point to that single citation will then reflect the updated information."

Paul: This was one of the headline additions to version 4.

DE: "I have complained many times over the years about Family Tree Maker's weak source citation capabilities. The program was one of the last in the marketplace to even add the capability of recording source citations."

Paul: Every version of Family Tree Maker has had the ability to add sources (stretching back to the DOS versions).

DE: "Even then, it had a very anemic method of recording citations that was little more than free-form notes attached to each record."

Paul: That's why it was a big deal when the source datebase functionality was added in version 4.

DE: "Family Tree Maker 2005 allows for "alternate facts" or "alternate events," as well as "preferred facts" that should take care of this problem. This capability allows for recording of all the data for my great-great-grandfather."

Paul: The ability to add alternate facts was added in version 5, while the ability to add alternate names was added in version 7.

DE: "The preferred fact is also the only one that shows up on the screens and reports."

Paul: Unless the charting and reporting have changed, you should have the option to choose whether to include just the preferred fact or all of alternates in most of the trees and reports.

DE: "Earlier versions of Family Tree Maker had problems with certain tags when exporting data in GEDCOM format. Specifically, it would swap the occupation and place tags in the GEDCOM file. The 2005 edition seems to have corrected this problem."

Paul: I'm very happpy to hear this. It was always one of my pet peeves.

Sincerely,
Paul Burchfield

As I have done since the days of Banner Blue, I immediately bought the latest version of Family Tree Maker - now christened "2005".

It was very vexing to find that the Family View no longer shows the place and date of burial. Instead, it is buried (no pun intended!) under Edit>General>Burial.

This was caused, I suppose by the inclusion of an ability to show up to eight children on the Family View.

I hate the trade off. In fact, I hate the fact that one cannot go to "Preferences" and truncate the number of childred shown on the Family View and restore the deeply-missed date/place of burial on the Family View page.

It annoys me so much that I am thinking of going back to Version 11.

One of the past practices was to provide huge rebates about 6 months after a new FTM version was released. I have purchased the last four versions, with numerous data disks, for under $20 each thanks to $30 to $50 rebates. Also, each usually came with 3 months access to one of the Genealogy.com databases.

Hopefully, this pricing structure won't change with the new company and FTM 2005.

For those with version 11 of FTM you can upgrade for only $19.95. Open FTM, click on the 'Family Tree Maker Online" icon at the top of the page and it will take you to the Genealogy.com website. You can order the upgrade from here.

I had hoped that FTM 2005 would finally address the oddity of merging duplicate sources. One still has to merge duplicate individuals. I find it cumbersome to deal with running a merge on the entire database when I want to clean up my sources. The program allows for merging two specific individuals but not two specific sources without going through the entire database of persons as well as sources to identify possible duplicates of both.

Dick, I found the Family Group report in FTM 2005 to be very poor. It has pages of blank space.

I have kept my genealogy data in PAF for years; however, I have purchased 5 or 6 versions of FTM and about a dozen other programs. I believe this is a shortcoming in GEDCOM files; however, all attached photographs and images are lost when data is transferred from PAF to FTM 2005.

I have yet to find the ICON/link to read the CD's that contain Family Trees & all the Census index.
I think I'll go back to V11. Lucky I saved a database in a previous location, for it's not readable when reverted back.

Do you use an ID for each name entry? Will they be recovered in a GEDCOM? How do you import data from a GEDCOM?

---> I believe this is a shortcoming in GEDCOM files; however, all attached photographs and images are lost when data is transferred from PAF to FTM 2005.

You are correct. That is a shortcoming in GEDCOM. GEDCOM does not know what images, sound bytes and other multimedia items are.

There is a proposed new GEDCOM standard that does address those issues. However, my guess is that the new standard will not be implemented for years, if ever. (I hope that I am wrong.)

- Dick Eastman

When doing French-Canadian genealogy the baptism and burial dates and locations are more readily available and sometimes the only data available. The moving of the burial data off the Family Page has been *very* inconvenient. Also, the "button" for the Index has been moved way over to the right and replaced on the left corner by the "back arrow". Old habits die hard and I am very weary of clicking on the back arrow when I want the index.

I am not a newbie, but I don't like the new Family screen at all. If I wanted a program that was that different from my old FTM, I would have bought a different program. I liked FTM11 very much and am sorry I bought FTM2005. I tell people who ask "If you need to upgrade, get FTM11 when the price drops. Otherwise, check out other programs, as I am doing."

I have used FTM since the early versions, and I switched to it specifically because of it's good source documentation features. This is not a "new" feature as Dick mentions. It also is one of the "cheaper" programs, not expensive like Dick suggests. Although I am an experienced genealogist and computer user, I see nothing wrong with wanting a user friendly program like FTM, and I prefer it stays that way. I will not be buying 2005 yet, until I see what others are saying after they use it for awhile. I don't like the new look of the main page, and may wait to see if they change it back in the next version.

Dick:
When installing FTM 2005 over existing FTM 11 when current database, i.e. FTM 11, does not surround surname with backward slashes and that uses _____ for missing surnames, again not surrounded with backward slashes, how are the names shown in the index and on the Family View Page in FTM 2005?

While using the web icon connection to see possible new information is Ancestry making a copy of my files for their use?

---> When installing FTM 2005 over existing FTM 11 when current database, i.e. FTM 11, does not surround surname with backward slashes and that uses _____ for missing surnames, again not surrounded with backward slashes...

That information came from the program's HELP files. If you have Family Tree Maker 2005 installed, open the program and click on HELP, then click on ENTER BASIC DETAILS. There you will see a detailed description about the use of reverse slashes.

HOWEVER, as I mentioned in the article, "Family Tree Maker 2005 assumes that the last single word entered into its single name field is the surname. This is often not true, such Peter Van Der Voort or Pierre Bourbeau dit Lacourse or John Smith Jr. In such instances, it is necessary to identify the surname for Family Tree Maker."

In other words, the backslashes are only needed in a MINORITY of names, such as the examples listed in the article (Peter Van Der Voort, Pierre Bourbeau dit Lacourse, John Smith Jr., etc.

Entering data for anyone with a single last name and no titles, the slashes are not needed. For instance, to enter information about people with the same surname as mine (Eastman), no backslashes are required. However, to enter data about my great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather Jean-Baptiste Roy dit Desjardins, I would need to enter his name with backslashes: Jean-Baptiste \Roy dit Desjardins\.

---> Do you use an ID for each name entry? Will they be recovered in a GEDCOM? How do you import data from a GEDCOM?

Importing data from a GEDCOM file is very easy in Family Tree Maker 2005. I described it briefly in the article. The reason for the brief mention is that it was so easy and quick that there wasn't much to say about it.

HOWEVER, it does not preserve ID numbers. Personally, I find that OK as I dislike ID numbers and never use them in any genealogy program. However, I do realize that some people like ID numbers and use them extensively. I do not think there is anything right or wrong with either approach, it is simply a matter of personal preferences.

- Dick Eastman

---> I have yet to find the ICON/link to read the CD's that contain Family Trees & all the Census index.

In Family Tree maker 2005, click on VIEW and then on DATA CD, then on VIEW CD.

Dick,
The Occupation entries that FTM produces will still not be parsed into PAF correctly. For this to work, your entries would have to be:

1 OCCU Electrician
2 DATE ABT 1960
2 PLAC Dexter, Penobscot, Maine, USA
2 SOUR @S02853@
1 OCCU Milkman
2 DATE 1934
2 PLAC Sanford, York, Maine
2 SOUR @S02853@

I believe that this is the GEDCOM standard. Maybe Paul can throw some light on this? So, they still don't have it correct.

Here's another lost "benefit" of moving to FTM 2005.

The pop-up screen which would warn of an errent capital letter in a name (say, SpringStein) is now missing in action.

Very annoying to upgrade only to find a lost feature.

Then there is the always hoped-for ability of the program to "recognize" place names which appeared in, say, BIRTH record when one starts to type in the same location in the MARRIAGE record.

But, no! You can type all the PHILADELPHIAs you want in the BIRTH, DEATH,etc., spaces; however, when you type the same word in the MARRIAGE space it is unrecognized and needs to be fully typed.

This situation has existed in the last 4 versions, at least.

Another aberation in FTM 2005... the PREFERENCES allows one to select among various titles, e.g., Mrs., Ms., etc.

However, even though married women are selected to be entitled MRS the program insists on titling married women as MS.

Replicate this by choosing the "Elegant" style "Ancestor Tree - standard" view.

The good folks at FTM answered my complaint by describing how to REMOVE all MR, MRS, MS titles in the "Elegant" style "Ancestor Tree - standard" view but they couldn't set it up for the married women to be titled MRS.

But they certainly focused well on their self-serving web search which directs one to their proprietary stuff.

I'm going back to Version 11.

Dick,

The official GEDCOM 5.5 specs for the OCCU tag are:

n OCCU {1:1}
+1 > {0:1}

Which clearly specifies that the occupation description follows the OCCU tag on the same line.

So, you can see that FTM still does not put out the proper GEDCOM records. I suspect that if you try to pull those records of yours into any other program than FTM, you'll find 'electrician' and 'milkman' listed in the Place field.

Did you try to import your GEDCOM into another (non-FTM) program? If so, did it work?

Sorry,
This blog deleted the important parts of the GEDCOM spec in my previous message because it couldn't figure out how to handle the less-than and greater-than symols. I am replacing them with parenthesis in the following:

n OCCU (OCCUPATION) {1:1}
+1 ((EVENT_DETAIL)) {0:1}

To address the topics of viewing a data CD and the arrows in the menu bar, I have just found out how to do these. Go to Preferences, then Customize Toolbar, here you can add or remove additional icons. In addition, you can move the Index of Individuals to the first spot in the menu bar. I don't have any CD's, but am assuming that view data CD, is what that means.

For some time now I have been trying to make a decision as to whether to switch from FTM 10 to Legacy 5. The new FTM 2005 seems to have changed the views to look more like other programs but I don't see many value added changes to the actual program. I have tried the Standard Legacy 5 program which is free and I really like the features and of course the Deluxe version would be even better. The only feature that I would miss that is in FTM is the Books part of the program. Of course, I could just keep using FTM for Books or find a good Family History Book program. I did play around with the TMG program but I really don't like the views at all, no matter how I configured them and besides, the learning curve just seemed far too steep for me. I am also concerned that if I go to another program that it will someday be purchased and then removed from the market like many others have been. I am interested to read about other people's experiences with the new FTM 2005 before I make a final decision.

I'll stick to FTM 11! Got my 2005 today and it is very disappointing. Very poor instructions for use. Have been trying to find all of the Notes that I've entered in my files since the days of FTM 2.0, and not finding a good way to see them.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

Receive FREE daily newsletter updates by email

  • Enter your email address


    Click here to see a typical e-mail message you will receive.

    I promise that:

    1. I will never sell, rent, or give away your address to any outside party, ever;
    2. I will never send you any unrequested e-mail, besides newsletter updates; and
    3. All unsubscribe requests are honored immediately, period.

My Photo

Search This Site for Past Articles

Meet Dick Eastman in Person

  • Sept. 2 to 5, 2009 - FGS National Conference - Little Rock, AR

    Feb. 13, 2010 - Pinellas Genealogical Society - Largo, Florida

    Feb. 26 to 28, 2010 - Who Do You Think You Are? LIVE! - London, England

    March 27, 2010 - Clayton Library - Houston, TX

    April 10, 2010 - Indiana Genealogical Society (IGS) Annual Conference - Ft. Wayne, IN

July 2009

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
      1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31  

Amazon Kindle

Offers

Blog powered by TypePad

Amazon Picks

Receive daily newsletter updates by email

  • Enter your Email


    Preview

    (Don't worry, I hate spam as much as you do and you will be able to UNSUBSCRIBE within seconds at any time!)