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September 22, 2005

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Jack Coffee

I agree that there is a problem with many people that you refer to as "so-called genealogists." Many copy and paste the myriad collection of genealogies available on-line without checking facts. Many then turn around and re-post that often erroneous information onto a website of their own creation. Nary a source is to be found save perhaps one referring to a mysterious Smith.ged or Jones.ftw.

Fortunately, a lot of us know about the lack of scholarly work (apparent by omission of any meaningful sources), so we typically ignore those sites.

I doubt that many of us, particularly those outside of New England have any use for membership in the NEGHS, or any of the other similar "elitist" groups currently charging outrageous membership fees. After years of research many of us are still struggling just to find GG-grandpa's father, and spend many sight testing hours scanning poorly filmed census records.

At the same time we are learning about our ancestors and their contemporaries without paying some "expert researcher" an outrageous speaking fee to tell us what we already know.

We know that many of our ancestors were farmers and most fought in the Civil War. We have a few letters, photographs, and the like to remind us of what they looked like, and how they lived. Some of us are fortunate enough to find photographs of old homesteads. Many of us have traveled miles over back roads to find graves and old home sites.

Don't labor under any delusions that we do not know our family histories. Many, if not most of us know the history of our ancestors. And, do not forget that a vast number of researchers are not on the internet, preferring instead to remain patrons of our local libraries, and burn gasoline traveling from county to county in an effort to find that lost ancestor. He, or she is likely NOT going to show up in a publication such as the NEGHS sells.

Just because you can't find true family histories on the websites that you have visited, doesn't mean that they do not exist. You might want to visit libraries and archives across the country and check the number of published family histories shelved there!

Many of us belong to local and not-so local genealogical societies throughout the United States. These societies do remarkable work by publishing cemetery records, marriage records, and such. They are generally happy to help a researcher via e-mail or the "old fashioned" way when an SASE is provided. Subscriptions to their newsletters are typically $10-$12/yr and we are happy to pay that.

I don't know what NEGHS charges for a membership these days, but I doubt that it's as low as $10/yr.

And finally, there are many of us who provide guidance and assistance for free, that in an effort to help straighten out some of those erroneous internet files.

Chris Dunham

Jack:
I'm not sure why you consider NEHGS an elitist organization. When I joined, they were far more interested in my credit-card number than my pedigree. True, if you don't have New England roots you probably won't need to read the Register or visit the NEHGS website (though some of their databases, like "The Search for Missing Friends," are aimed at a broader audience). On the other hand, many genealogists enjoy reading rigorously researched articles on families they're not related to—if only to pick up new research strategies, and learn of new sources of information. Half of my ancestral lines ran through Massachusetts, but only a handful of my ancestors have ever appeared in the Register. That doesn't stop me from reading it cover to cover four times a year.

As for NEHGS's "outrageous" membership fee, for $75 you get subscriptions to New England Ancestors and The Register, use of the Research Library in Boston (one of the finest genealogical research centers in the country), and access to their website (including the incredible 1841-1910 Massachusetts Vital Records database). Just recently they added access to "Early American Newspapers, 1690-1876," and Dick hinted back in August of good things to come:
http://eogn.typepad.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/08/nehgs_to_shut_d.html

It's not elitist to promote and follow high standards. It's not elitist to offer benefits not everyone will benefit from. And it's not elitist to charge a membership fee. NEHGS is not meant to replace your local historical society or library, but to complement it.

Jack Coffee

Elite means a group or part of a group regarded as the finest, best, most distinguished, most powerful, etc. (Websters New World).

Chris Dunham

"Elitist" has connotations far beyond the definition of "elite." It connotes snobbery and exclusionary practices. If you meant to recognize NEHGS as an elite organization, then I would agree.

Jack Coffee

I was referring to your characterization of this organization as one that researchers should belong to, or otherwise be labelled as "so-called genealogists."

Because you often take compensation in some form or another from the organizations and companies that you promote, it's difficult to determine when you are "pushing" them on their merits or because you were paid to do it.

Dick Eastman

One comment just to clear the air: I have never been paid to "push" any society or product.

- Dick Eastman

Kathy Amoroso

I have to say that without publications like the NEHGS's Register, TAG, RIHR, and many others (I find articles through PERSI), I would not have been able to track down all the wonderful records that their articles properly cite. So many published genealogies, even today, do not have their sources cited. I find it sad that many historians and librarians do NOT consider genealogists as historians, but I can see why if they are not careful about citing sources. The journals that some of the big organizations put out (and many little ones too) have been invaluable!! I don't get paid to push any of these and I recommend them to all serious family historians.

Margaret Nex

I live on Vancouver Island, Canada, and belong to the New England Historic and Genealogical Society...I am a senior citizen and have found this site to be a wonderful site, and in researching both my husband's and my families, have data that I otherwise would not be able to research. Money and travel are one of the major obstacles, but by being a member, I am able to find the data, and then pursue other avenues to get the certificates, history of the area where they lived, and where they came from. I suppose we could call ourselves (as genealogists) 'elitists', as we are a very special, well-known, and important group, not necessarily being rich financially, but rich in our knowledge gained in our research...

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