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June 07, 2007

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Whitehouse Family History Centre

My concern is about Excel 2007. I draw family trees and construct databases for the WHITEHOUSE surname in Excel 2003. I e-mail the trees and provide free downloads of data from a website. I had hoped that use of Excel would make the trees universally readable and the databases, when downloaded from the website, universally sortable from the downloaded order into other orders. I am dismayed to learn that Excel 2007 users might not be able to take advantage of these services.

Joan McIlmoyl Cleghorn

Gee Dick, you're just full of good news today. Between this and the inkjet longevity issue..... I notice you used Open Office for the article - I was pleasantly surprised to find it had been installed on my new desktop last year and commended the shop where my machine had been built.

8-)
Joan

Saundra Brown

I became fed up with Microsoft Office and then downloaded a free Open Office suite that reads all of Microsoft Office documents. The address is www.openoffice.org
I remember how Microsoft pushed and shoved aside Lotus suite and WordPerfect and its companions in order to gain prominence.

Margaret

Why does Microsoft create versions that are incompatible with former versions? Bill Gates seems to all about helping Africa, but manages to make life worse for his own customers. Didn't anyone at Microsoft check to see if the versions of Word were compatible?

Apple manages to make its software able to read PC documents, but Microsoft cannot make its own versions compatible with one another!

Matt

Interesting that you should pick so hard on W2007 defaulting to .docx format. As I recall your Open Office 2 also installs with a non .doc format. I'm no Word fan but your critique seems overly harsh.

Denny

I still use the MSWord that goes with my Office 2000. All of the "upgrades" to Word (and Office) since 2000 have added automatic formatting and "styles" and other bells & whistles that drive me insane! I've turned all of that stuff off in my Word 2000 and when I need formatting I do my own! I've owned several computers since 2000 and I've had the "new" versions of Office and Word, but I keep uninstalling them and going back to my old reliable (Office 2000 still works properly in WindowsXP). This problem with Word 2007 just reinforces my belief that the old software is better.

Dick Eastman

Both Word 2007 and OpenOffice.org default to a format other than .DOC. Both can have that default changed to be .DOC. However, as explained in the article, Word 2007's .DOC format is buggy; it is not 100% compatible with other .DOC files. That is what created the problem in the first place; magazines cannot accept files in Word 2007's .DOC format.

OpenOffice.org can save in .DOC format and it is 100% compatible.

Word 2007 created problem, OpenOffice.org can fix that problem.

- Dick Eastman
(wireless on the laptop in Erie, PA)

Linda Gutierrez

You mention special characters and the Greek alphabet. What about other languages such as Spanish, French and German? Would converting a document to the .doc format also affect those special characters?

I just downloaded the trial software recently after discovering that my copy of Office 2003, which I liked very much, wasn't genuine. So far, I am finding that I really like 2007 even though I find myself hunting for things that I am accustomed to in other versions.

I noticed when I installed the trial that I was given the option of maintaining other versions of Office or overwriting them. Assuming you can keep the older version as well, could you actually prepare a document in 2007 and paste it into an older version and save it in the older version to avoid the conversion issue in 2007 that is explained above?

Carlo Piana

To those who complain that Openoffice does not save .doc format as a default option, may I remind that .doc format is a proprietary undisclosed standard that Openoffice guys managed to reverese engineer *despite* the efforts of Microsoft? It is also worth mentioning that Openoffice.org saves in Open Doc, which is the only ISO standard approved so far? You seem to have it the wrong way: the question is why Office does not save a 100% ISO standard, and sticks with its proprietary, undisclosed format?

David Creelman

I believe the statement that magazines will not accept work written in Word 2007 is completely false. The spicy beginning of the article is in fact explained quite differently deeper in the text.
Articles SAVED in the new .docx format can't be read by most word processors now, so of course they will forbid that. Any intelligent informed person will save and submit in .doc until and if .docx takes over.

Word 2007 is actually the most innovative thing to come out of Microsoft in some time. The ease of use, once you adjust to the new interface is remarkable. It may be the best word processor ever in fact. Don't listen to me. Check the sources you trust. The reviews have been great.

I don't mind Microsoft bashing. There are lots of targets(I have my own Vista complaints.), and Microsoft should certainly not have a monopoly in any area. That isn't good for anyone.

But Word 2007 is not deserving based on it's PERFORMANCE. It's a top notch program, and likely a stiff challenge to all competitors.


Bob Franklin

When writing articles for newsletters, I always use a text editor not a word processor. I have found that gedit works very well and saves files as plain text (ASCII). While gedit is a Linux only application and is a small and lightweight text editor for the GNOME Desktop, Windows users will have to use the very lacking Notepad or a third party text editor. Linux and gedit has been a refreshing experience to my computing needs and it still amazes me why so many users are still fighting a never ending battle with all of Windows headaches.

Note: written in Linux using gedit.

Dick Eastman

---> Articles SAVED in the new .docx format can't be read by most word processors now, so of course they will forbid that. Any intelligent informed person will save and submit in .doc until and if .docx takes over.

Actually, if you go back and read the article, you will note that saving in .DOC format in Word 2007 is a major problem for some of the magazines. It seems that special characters and also math formulas Word 2007's .DOC format are not compatible with previous versions of Word or with other word processors.

This is a major issue for Nature Magazine and for Science Magazine and many others. I doubt if the problem with math formulas will be much of an issue for genealogy publications as they rarely contain formulas. However, the problems with special characters still can be a problem.

- Dick Eastman

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