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September 04, 2007

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Paul K. Graham

Another very insightful book, but from the Civil War era, is "The Story the Soldiers Wouldn't Tell: Sex in the Civil War" by Thomas P. Lowry, M.D.

Happy Dae

I have no problem with it. "Facts is facts," as Uncle Remus would say. One of my ancestors "back in the day" seduced and married a Vatican Cardinal. She'd been widowed twice and, with children, she determined a Cardinal would be able to sustain her well. Seems she was correct, historically speaking.

The concept of "popular crimes" did give me a moment's start, however. I would that crime were never popular, but alas, it seems it has been throughout the ages. Too much freedom and too little of it both contribute, methinks.

Happy Dae.
http://www.ShoeStringGenealogy.com/ssg1.htm

Elaine

I'm going to have to read this book. My husband does have ancestors that were there at that time, one of whom held the position of "Tithing Man." From what I understand, he made sure church members tithed, as well as kept order during church services, woke up those who fell asleep, and ordered parents to control their children during services. I'm curious to see if he was ever on "the wrong side of the law."

Betty

Hello. I know about the book but have never read it. I'll see if it's the Library. I'd just like to make a comment that the author should have continued with his thoughts and made it a series of books: Sex.. in 1700's, .. in 1800's, etc.

A brother of my KIDDER ancestor in 1700's Chelmsford, MA, lost a wife in childbirth, lost a second wife, then lost 3 daughters, and his house burned down. When he found another woman, she moved in with him, but he refused to marry again - much to the dismay of the minister in his town.

And, the birth of my grandmother in the winter of 1888-1889 is a BIG mystery. My "educated guess" is that a married woman in a small town in CT either had an affair, was raped, or there was incest involved. She had a young son, had lost a baby daughter, and, without the benefit of her husband, got pregnant in the "summer of 1888."

I'm sure that a book author, if asked, could hear many stories !

P.S. In the 1800's in northern Maine and in Canada, cousins married cousins - because there was no one else around to marry. I wonder what the minister said about that.


Margaret

Human nature is the same from generation to generation so why is anyone surprised about the fact that "crime" existed before us?

What is different about today is the nonchalance exhibited by many over sexual misbehavior whose consequences are still considerable. At least in the past those who broke the laws were made to feel shame and, believe me, the fear of being shunned by your neighbors was a real threat and worked to insure a semblance of virtue when no real virtue existed.

Edmund Deane

Sounds alot like today's TV show, "Desperate Housewives".

Vera

I would like to recommend a book that addresses some of the same subject matter, "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America" by David Hackett Fischer, Oxford University Press, 1989. It covers the four major migrations to North America from England: East Anglia to Massachusetts, the South of England to Virginia, North Midlands to the Delaware and Borderlands to the Backcountry. Each group brought with them distinct social mores and ideas about what was and wasn't a crime. Fascinating reading! And the author does discuss some of the more interesting bestiality cases.

Suzanne

I too would like to recommend Albion's Seed. It makes a very good companion to Sex in Middlesex. My copy of Sex in Middlesex arrived yesterday. Imagine my surprise when I found my own relatives mentioned in several of the case studies!

Geezerdawg

I tried to query "Happy Dae" about her post, but frew blanks. I suspect her to be a hoaxstress--

Dick Eastman

Nope. Happy Dae is well known in these areas and is a real person.

Dean

The message posted by Margaret on Sept. 5 is right on track. I agreee 100 percent. There is no shame anymore, how many of us reading these comments know of someone, maybe many in our own extended families that either lived together before marriage or never bothered to get married or have had abortions. We have no constraints in our society anymore. Sure I even look at the records and compare marriage dates with the first birth. It is very revealing!

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