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October 17, 2007

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Randy Seaver

Dick, will you provide some sort of analysis of this at some point? I would be interested in knowing what the chances are that the TGN components might be sold off, or will new companies acquired with the cash influx, or will the whole company be sold later on?

Leland Meitzler at the Everton's Publishing Genealogy Blog (http://genealogyblog.com) has links to TechCrunch with some interesting comments about the acquisition.

I have posted my own comments and analysis on Genea-Musings at http://randysmusings.blogspot.com/2007/10/tgn-acquired-whats-in-it-for-us.html.

Dick Eastman

---> Dick, will you provide some sort of analysis of this at some point?

Yes. I received a full briefing today from an impeccable inside source, including an insight into the company's plans for the future. Watch for a new article to be posted later this evening.

- Dick Eastman

Bonnie

Hello,
I haven't done genealogy since my son died 8 years ago.

But what a difference... all the free documentation seems to have been gobbled up by Ancestry.com and now looks like it will be even more locked up with this new buy out.

What are we to do now.

Thank you.

penny

As a long time user of Family Tree Maker and subscriber to Ancestry.com I admit to a love-hate relationship with both. The content of Ancestry.com has been invaluable to my research but their business practices have lead me to cancel and then later restart my subscription several times. Luckily I am able to afford the subscription price but I worry for those unable to.

Tim Sullivan, company President and CEO, says it all . . . "2007 has been the company's most successful and profitable year to date . . .". I fear that the profitable part of the statement will continue to be the more important business model for the company.

In response to Bonnie's comment, there is still a lot of free documentation out there via USGenWeb sites of various states & counties. What makes me nervous is that it is hosted by RootsWeb, which in turn is owned by Generations Network, Inc. We can only hope that the part of Generation's mission statement that says:
" . . our mission to connect families across distance and time. . ." will not become even more secondary to profit.

Cheryl

I'm sorry but I get really frustrated at comments about the cost of paying for records. However did you expect to get documentation of your family history?

You could go to the courthouses, libraries, and other archives. You would be paying for the trip, the lodging, the meals, etc.

On the other hand, we can pay a relatively inexpensive sum (stop yelling at me and think about this realistically) for a deluxe world subscription and have instant pajama access to way more than one could ever hope to find by going on multiple trips to multiple places.

Put it into perspective. I find the money in my budget to pay the fee.

Bill West

Cheryl
I'm sorry but I get frustrated with people who think everyone makes the same amount of money and
can afford a "deluxe world subscription"

There are a lot of people out here struggling along on hand me down computers and using dialup
connections because they can't afford DSL or cable. If not for the information I've found on the
free sites when I started I'd have never made the progress I've made on my family research.
And yes, I do now use a commercial site, but I have a monthly membership because I don't have
the money in my budget to spend on a "deluxe" one.

Put it in the perspective that those free sites are important to a lot of people.

Kim Ostermyer

The question of gains with Ancestry will be on all of our minds for some time. I can't afford the Deluxe subscription but have the U.S. subscription as that is the focus of my research across the board. I believe that Ancestry is a great deal, even though it is a bit pricey. It's a good deal because it gives people a headstart and the ability to do some of the basic research such as census records, pensions, etc. Given the choice of spending a day looking over census records on microfilm at the Family History Library (which is about 25 blocks from me) or on Ancestry, I'd take Ancestry on any given day to do that sort of research.

The acquisition will prove itself in time. I'm sure that Tim Sullivan and his team are well aware of what The Generations Network and the genealogy community have at stake here.

In regards to the free records mentioned in an earlier post--there is always a cost in this habit of ours, whether it be fuel, copies, or a motel room. Ancestry should be looked at as a tremendous respository and not some troll hunkered down at the base of everyone's family tree. It should also be noted that so much of the free stuff on the Internet comes with a lack of quantative source material, something Ancestry seems to be fairly good about listing.

Sock Puppet Detector

"Bill West" wrote:

> I'm sorry but I get really frustrated at comments about the cost of paying for records.

> I find the money in my budget to pay the fee.

So, the Ancestry.com sock puppet, having been exposed as such, is back under another name?

Bill West

Er no..the quotes you attribute to me were from a post from Cheryl that I was
responding too above mine.

Jeanette

As for the fee, I budget and save, because I find value and entertainment, it is less per year than cable television!

but on the toic of the buyout, I think one has to look at the bigger picture, Large Investment groups, Private Equity Firm's and financial companies are buying out most of the major Internet and e-commerce sites out there.

What is the future of the Internet, for information or anything when the majority of sites are owned by a small few? Just looking at the total number of companies Investment Firms like Spectrum Equity Investors own, makes it worrisome to me.
Others out ther "buying up the internaet'
IAC, Madison Dearborn Partners, Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P. and Bain Capital Partners, LLC, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, Blackstone Capital Partners ... Google any of them, or google for "Bought By Private Equity Firm" and you will find buyout after buyout.
What is difficult to take is that "my hobby, entertainment, addiction, passion, is turning corporate, and commercial", I do not know the future, I think it means there will be a faster release and increase in data available, but I also know it will be geared first towards making money for the Investement companies, at the highest profit possible.


cheryl

I am not a "sock puppet". I am a normal person who knows that people make choices every day as to where to spend their money. My point in all of this was to say that spending the money for an Ancestry subscription is much cheaper than even taking one genealogy trip at a distance where you need to pay for a hotel, meals, etc. We all make choices with our money. I choose to spend mine on a subscription.

Maxine

I have been on both sides of that fence: The haves and the havenots. I know what it is to have a child to raise and pay all the necessary bills from my salary. Suppose I had had three or four children. I worked five or six days a week in an office with no extra pay for the overtime, just accumulated time to use if we ever could get away from the work. There was no way I could have come up with the price of one of the genealogy programs at that time. I know there are many people in the same position today. I am thankful I do not to have to worry about money now. Please remember there are those who cannot afford even the monthly price of the programs because they have other obligations that have to be met first. Thank goodness, there are the free programs left, such as PAF.

Richard

The announcement said "investment of $300 million to purchase a majority interest." It was not clear to me if the $300 million investment was in the form of buying out existing shareholders, in which case no funds flow into the target company, or whether it was for the purchase of an increase of capital i.e. acquisitioin of new shares, in which case the target does have fresh funds for investment. Which was it?

Claude

I've been using Ancestry.com for about three years. I used the Free sites for 10 years, RootsWeb mostly. Before that I spent over 10 years in and out of Libraries. Best thing I did was subscribe yearly to Ancestry.com and have made strides in my research for $0.52 a day. Another cup of coffee anyone? I'm on DialUp.

Craig

I too have been on both sides of the fence. My biggest problem with paying for the service is that I have no more trust in it. I search and don't find at ancestry.com, but take a trip and personally look at the census and there is the person I was looking for. He/She is not indexed and cannot be found on the Ancestry site. How many other people have I missed because someone didn't transcribe the names correctly? I have doubled paid for research and I am getting tired of the promises.

Elaine

I just recently purchased Family Tree Maker Deluxe 16 for $29.95 at nothingbutsoftware.com http://www.nothingbutsoftware.com/Catalog_type.asp?ProductCode=37965
Personally, I use PAF (Personal Ancestral File), and am not interested in Family Tree Maker. However, the cool thing is what is in the box! With the purchase comes 9 months of U.S. Deluxe Ancestry.com It can be used up to January 31, 2009. I called Generations Network, Inc. in Provo, to confirm, and they reassured me I would just start up this offer when mine expires in February 2008. A very good deal--IF--they will abide by their offer, and I trust that they will!

Sue

Many public libraries have subscriptions to Ancestry.com. You have to use a computer in the library to access Ancestry, but you won't have to pay the subscription price. While at the library, you may find some genealogy books and resources of interest.

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