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April 19, 2008

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kinlink

The SS-5 displays place of birth in this country. How much detail is provided for the foreign born?

Kenny Hedgpeth

I think there needs to be a slight correction here ...

"In the late 1980s and after, all deaths in the U.S. were reported to the Social Security Administration and recorded in the SSDI. You can find deaths of children and non-retired adults listed for the 1990s and later, but not for earlier years."

From what I was told, If the SS death benefit was not applied for and/or not paid out ... the individual is "not" listed in the SSDI :(

I have an example of this being the case from 1998, that I personally know of, where an individual who was just shy of being 60 years old, and has not shown up on the SSDI "/

Marilyn Sewell

Anyone who worked for the federal government is not listed on the SSDI unless he or she worked under social security and drew SS also. My father worked for the Dept of Ag and drew a federal penson. Federal workers are not listed if they had a GS ranking when they retired.

Nancy

Dick,

I think Social Security Numbers beginning with a 9 belong to Rail Road workers. I may have read that somewhere during my research.

Nancy

Ed Maul

I have researched family for over 30 years. Now I have been searching for Navy shipmates from the Korean War (1951-55) who served on the battleship USS Wisconsin BB-64. There are about 20 shipmates I just cannot find. I do have the State they were living in in those years. Did the SSDI, Ancestry,com, FamilySearch, Roots web, and the Navy Locator Service. These 20 shipmates just vanished!!! I did find 21 shipamtes. The Wisconsin BB-64 Assn. is having a reunion in August 2008 at Norfolk. The Wisconsin is tied up at the Nauticus Museum. There are deck visits with Docents available. I an working everyday to find the shipmates so that we could have one last beer together before we pass on.
Any ideas about where I could search more???
Ed, Pleasantville, NY

Dick Eastman

---> Anyone who worked for the federal government is not listed on the SSDI unless he or she worked under social security and drew SS also.

That was true for many years but is not true today. For the past ten or fifteen years, deaths of Federal employees have been listed in the SSDI.

- Dick Eastman

leslie

to ed in pleasantville:
try using stevemorse.org under the vital records section. he several searches of databases that may help you find the ones you are seeking.

Dick Eastman

---> The SS-5 displays place of birth in this country. How much detail is provided for the foreign born?

As much detail as that person provided when he or she filled out the form. After all, it is (usually) in the applicant's own handwriting (assuming he or she could read and write English, which was not always the case). One applicant might simply write "Poland" whereas another applicant might write the name of the village, the province and the country.

Eileen  Wasson

In trying to locate my husband's father, we sent for his SS# application also checked the SSDI for location and date of death. According to the records he died in 1969 in El Paso, TX. We sent for a death certificate, both the county and state had no record of his death. Checked with the library for obituaries and also phone books for 5 years before his death, no information.
Any suggestions on how to get additional information from the SSA ie how did they receive the information on his death.

Eileen  Wasson

In trying to locate my husband's father, we sent for his SS# application also checked the SSDI for location and date of death. According to the records he died in 1969 in El Paso, TX. We sent for a death certificate, both the county and state had no record of his death. Checked with the library for obituaries and also phone books for 5 years before his death, no information.
Any suggestions on how to get additional information from the SSA ie how did they receive the information on his death.

Eileen  Wasson

In trying to locate my husband's father, we sent for his SS# application also checked the SSDI for location and date of death. According to the records he died in 1969 in El Paso, TX. We sent for a death certificate, both the county and state had no record of his death. Checked with the library for obituaries and also phone books for 5 years before his death, no information.
Any suggestions on how to get additional information from the SSA ie how did they receive the information on his death.

Jim Allen

To Eileen, who is trying to get info re her father-in-law's death in 1969: Since SSA is not in the genealogy business (as Dick pointed out) it seems unlikely you will get more info from them - even if it was readily available, which is unlikely, since this happened over 30 years ago. The SSDI info probably only shows his last known mailing address. He could have resided for months or years in another city or state in a nursing home or with a friend or relative - - and then died in that area, not in El Paso. Maybe checking earlier El Paso city directories or phone books MIGHT provide clues - maybe former friends or neighbors who are still living??

Jim Allen

I forgot to mention: Am not sure who was issued the social security numbers beginning with a 9, (sorry, Nancy) - but Dick was mostly correct in stating numbers starting 700 - 719 were "Railroad Retirement Board". Actually, they were SS numbers that were issued to railroad workers in the early days. 'Railroaders', when they filed for retirement, or died (whichever came first) were then issued a six-digit claim number by the Railroad Retirement Board, a separate Federal agency. By the 1950's all these claim numbers were starting with a 9 (which is maybe what Nancy ran across). In around 1963 they were, or course, starting to 'run out' of these 6-digit numbers, & thereafter used the railroad worker's SS number as the claim number.

Marilyn H

To Ed in Pleasantville:
I have been helping my uncle, a Marine in Korea in 1951, find the members of his unit for yearly reunions. We have had great luck using www.veromi.net ( http://www.veromi.net/processor.asp) and then using www.zabasearch.com ( http://www.zabasearch.com/ )to look for addresses and phone numbers. Zaba doesn't update very often, so information is not current, but older people tend to have a land line and stay in one place for longer periods of time. If the phone is not listed in the man's name, use veromi to figure out his wife's name and look for her. Veromi lists ages of people, which helps greatly. Good luck with your reunion! My uncle just got back from his and I'll hear all about it Tuesday.

John Harrison

An example of an early SSDI listing is my father, Calvin Harrison, who died in Feb 1944 at age 35. I suspect that the listing has to do with my mother collecting survivors benefits for me until I was age 18. Calvin did not collect any form of Social Security benefit during his lifetime.

Judy C.

Certainly not every person who had a Social Security number is listed in the index. An example - my former husband, who died in 2000. I have a copy of his death certificate with his Social Security number on it, yet he is not listed in the SSDI. Is this because his death was not reported to the Social Security Department? Can i submit his death certificate to have him listed?

Mike Stuart

I was just checking the first three digits of my SSN and my family members against your formula / chart of the first three SSN digits and the state. This chart holds true in my case, but everyone else in my family falls in the 'unassigned' catagory, including my wife who is now in her mid-30s.

Coincidentally, I'm currently working on a project where we are cleaning up bad data, including SSNs. This is what a co-worker of mine found out from the Social Security Administration regarding valid SSNs (I'm not sure of the exact source, but I'll find out if anyone is interested...):

"To determine if an SSN is invalid consider the following: No SSNs with an area number in the 800 or 900 series, or "000" area number, have been assigned. No SSNs with an area number above 772 have been assigned in the 700 series. No SSN's with a "00" group number or "0000" serial number have been assigned. No SSNs with an area number of "666" have been or will be assigned."

All this got me to thinking, so I checked the following URL from the SSA:

http://www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

To make a long story short, it looks like your chart is only partially complete?

Hope this helps,

Mike

Eileen

Thank you Dick and others for all the great information regarding SSDI. Makes me think I should pay $27 and perhaps get through a brick wall I have encountered with some of my genealogy.

Don Meierdiercks

Several years ago when copies of SS-5s were affordable I obtained aver 70 copies for a surname study. I found that there were many revisions of the form but they all asked for essentially the same information that Dick and Ancestry.com list. However I have three copies that ask for married men to "give wife's full name before marriage." They are all dated September, 1939. The revision date is too small for me to read but I think it is April, 1939.

Even at $27 the SS-5s can be very valuable. They are one of the few first-person documents you will find. They are invariably printed or typed clearly with full names and spellings, parents names, dates and places of birth, etc. -- And a signature !!

Bob P

SS 5 form and photocopies can also be ordered on line in addition to getting them thru the mail.

Louise

I thought it was the middle 2-digit set of numbers that identified the state in which the SSN was issued. That's how I found out my father had lived in Missouri, a place I never would have looked for him. Dad is also an example of a person who died while receiving benefits and is still not listed in the SSDI. Fortunately, I found other ways of getting the information I needed.

Lisa

I have a question concerning SS-5.
I was tempted to send for my great grandfather's SS-5, but I don't have his social security number. It wasn't listed on his death certificate. He passed away in Jan 1945 in Pennsylvania. He was born Feb 1860 in West Prussia and came to the States in 1887. I noticed that the social security indicates that it has limitations and will not process a request for an SS-5 for individuals born before 1865 and no social security number. Any suggestions?
thanks!

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