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Denise Wells

Think these will be free to access? LOL

Judy C

I went to the link http://www.ancestry.com/military and got a "Sorry this page is no longer available." Where does that leave Footenote in copying old documents to put online?
Judy C

Dee M

I went to the link http://www.ancestry.com/military and got a "Sorry this page is no longer available." I know every date and place where my "military" relatives were and I still got no relative hits when I searched direct thru Ancestry.com military records. What's the big whoopee if site can't be accessed?

Cyndi H.

The url listed above is not the correct url to get to the military collection. [Sub-pages for ancestry do not beging with www.] Instead, trying copying and pasting this url into your browser. It should take you right to the Military collections search engine. http://landing.ancestry.com/military/collections.aspx

Incidentally, I have found some WONDERFUL info regarding my uncles, grandfather, and even my great-great-grandfather [Rev. records] utilizing ancestrys military pages. What I couldn't find in actual records, I was able to find on indexes and get from NARA very quickly, because I was able to tell them exactly where the info was located. Never had to wait more than 4 days for the hard copy to be in hand!

Ed D

What is the big deal? Sounds like a "no-bid" contract. The information information is public and should remain free to all of us and not be the private propery of Ancestry and those who can afford Ancestry membership. Unless access is free this is a bad deal for all. I am contacting my congressman and senators on this one.

Mariann

I agree with Ed D. As I understand it, taxpayers support NARA which collects information for the public use and then GIVES IT to Ancestry.com which then SELLS IT back to the taxpayer who paid for having it gathered in the first place!!! If Ancestry.com wants to put this information on its site then it should have to buy it from us, the taxpayers, and then if we want to "buy" it back through a subscription to Ancestry.com so be it.

Nancy

Yes, the information at the National Archives is free for us to use. However, it costs money for taxpayers to travel to the Archives. It costs Ancestry money to digitize this information and make it available to us in our homes or local libraries. Ancestry is providing a service that some of us are willing to pay for. The government can not afford to provide this service, and if they did we would all be paying for it with our tax dollars. I do not understand why some folks are so negative about Ancestry. They provide a service to genealogists that I couldn't even have dreamed about 25 years ago when I began my family research. My membership costs me no more a week than my friend spends on her fancy coffee at Starbucks!

Lynn

Ditto what Nancy said! In addition, Ed D. and Mariann, "...the private property of Ancestry and those who can afford Ancestry membership..." What?! The records aren't being given to Ancestry. They will still be at NARA and still free to public access for those who can go there. "The agreement...allows for the ongoing digitization of a wealth of historical content, including immigration, birth, marriage, death and military records." It's the digitization we pay Ancestry for, not the records.

Maggie

I paid for two years of Ancestry when I could afford it, and I will pay cash again when I have a major need for it. I simply do no like being force to "create" some sort of family tree that will be harvested with unlikely relationships in order to see what is billed as "free" access. It isn't free. We must pay them by putting relationships that may not yet be proved into a database that will be used to create "trees" to "help" others find their ancestors. I hate this philosophy. I wish they would just charge $5 or $10 bucks for access and be done with it. Maggie

Maggie

I paid for two years of Ancestry when I could afford it, and I will pay cash again when I have a major need for it. I simply do no like being force to "create" some sort of family tree that will be harvested with unlikely relationships in order to see what is billed as "free" access. It isn't free. We must pay them by putting relationships that may not yet be proved into a database that will be used to create "trees" to "help" others find their ancestors. I hate this philosophy. I wish they would just charge $5 or $10 bucks for access and be done with it. Maggie

Nancy

I have paid for an Ancestry.com subscription for years and have never been forced to create anything. I have not put my family trees on their site, nor have I been asked to do so, nor have they "harvested" any of my files or information. Sending Ancestry your information is voluntary! There are lots of options, and it is very easy to use the data bases and give nothing in return but the price of the membership. I think there maybe some confusion because I believe Family Tree Maker allows the easy submission of trees and of course it is encouraged.

Dick Eastman

---> The information information is public and should remain free to all of us and not be the private propery of Ancestry and those who can afford Ancestry membership.


That is true now, it has always been true, and it will always be true. That is the way it always has been and it is the way it always will be, dictated by Federal law. There is no option to change that. The information will always remain free to all of us in the same manner that it always has been.

By Federal law, that information has always been available to all of us free of charge. All we ever had to do was to travel to the location where the information was available, be it in Washington, D.C. or some other archive. That is not changing. By Federal law, that information will continue to be available free of charge to anyone and everyone who wishes to travel to the location where that information is available. There is no change.

What *IS* changing is that we now have additional methods of obtaining that information. While we can continue to access it at no charge in the old-fashioned way, we now have new avenues. Specifically, online. Those companies that obtain this free information and then invest a few hundred thousand dollars in scanners, servers, data centers, high speed (and expensive) connections to the Internet backbones, programmers, support personnel and all the other expenses are allowed to charge a fee for that access. However, the old-fashioned free access remains exactly the same as before: free.

Water is free. If I want water, I can go to the local river or lake with a bucket and get all I want. But if elect to use a more convenient method, the local water company spends money laying pipes under the street and to my house. I then have to pay for that service. The same is true here: the information is free but we expect to pay a fee for the expensive "pipes" that deliver that information conveniently to our homes at our convenience.

For me and most other Americans, it is cheaper to "pay the piper" (in this case, Ancestry) than it is to take a trip to Washington, D.C. like I used to do. Using Ancestry.com or other online services REDUCES my expenses.

The local residents in the Washington, D.C. might report different financial results. If so, they still have the option of going in person. Either way, we all win. In my case, my expenses are REDUCED significantly.

- Dick Eastman


Nancy Davis

I wrote to the Natl Archives a number of years ago inquiring about the military service, if any, of my gggrandfather. Came back a zero. Recently, I went to the military records on Ancestry and up he popped. I asked a friend to go over to the Archives and print out the whole file. There wasn't one other than what was available on Ancestry. I don't know much more about him than I did before but I do know he died in a military uniform somewhere around 1838. Thank you Ancestry!

Lindsey

--> We must pay them by putting relationships that may not yet be proved into a database.

What the heck are you talking about? Ancestry provides a wealth of information, facts and data for the price of a monthly or yearly subscription. There is no requirement to put anything into a database.

Mary

No one is ever forced to post their tree on Ancestry or probably any other website.
That is a (poor) choice that naive people make because they actually think that is "how you do genealogy" -- gather meaningless names either to brag about or, Heaven forbid, to "help others"!

The "social networks" are compounding the problem by capitalizing on the situation big-time!!!

Most trained researchers know what APPROPRIATE records to search and have spent much time and money obtaining EVIDENCE to support their data, and, therefore, have no reason to put it online for the multitudes of name-gatherers to mutilate.

I have never put ANY of my data online, and I never will. And I certainly don't need the "help" of Ancestry's HINTS!!! No need to confuse the troops any further.

If you do your research correctly you can find cousins who also are doing actual research and perhaps work together. That is a far cry from the churning of erroneous information that goes on though among the uninformed, naive, name collectors.

If you want meaningful information, then you HAVE to learn how to research one step at a time. SOMEONE has to do the work and find EVIDENCE to piece it all together. It can't just magically fall in place. Is that so hard to understand?

RESEARCH HAS NEVER BEEN EASIER THAN IT IS TODAY!!!!

Mary

S D Holland

WOW!!!!!what a service. This information just might save me from my many drives to the National and State Archives to secure information about military service or other information. I am blest that I only live 25miles from both. I consider the fee that Ancestry.com charges marginal for what they offer. You get-census records thru 1930-birth,death,marriage records, SS death records, One world tree, United Kingdom and other countries, immigration, ship list for membership. The time that it would take me to search on site for all the information that I have found for myself and others has been worth it. The assistance that I offer to others on where and how to secure certain information thru mail has been also made possible by Ancestry.com. We also get rootsweb and grnforum along with the package.

I do not place my data on line as this is not me. I do not work to place on line. I have a personal family webpage that is supported by mindspring that if anyone wishes to research they may do so and request further information from them. All information is still free you just have to make the trip to a physical facility. Shirley Holland

Marcia Murray Holstrom

Dick, just to let you know...I sent out the free military records information to all of my genealogy students - three classes, about 10 separate lists. I'm sure you can imagine the responses I have been receiving.

I tried to flame Ancestry for mis-information, but couldn't figure out how to do that. If you think that would be an appropriate action, let me know.

Marcia

Gloria

Too bad Ancestry doesn't have a soundex option. My grandfather is in the 1910, 1920 census and on the NYC passenger lists. He doesn't show up anywhere in Ancestry. Also, I have an uncle's WWII "old man's draft" record but he can't be found on Ancestry. What gives?

Henrietta

Yes, this is good news but it is not the complete answer. If you are seeking membership in organizations such as; DAR, Colonial Dames, Jamestown Society, Order of the Crown of Charlemagne, etc. they will not accept anything from Ancestors.com or anything with their name (Ancestry.com) printed on it. You must obtain a copy of the document that you are seeking from the original source, accepted printed material, etc. However, the good news is that Ancestry.com usually gives you enough information (indexes, etc.) so that when you do contact the original sources you will be able to tell them exactly where it can be found.

Ancestry.com’s “Trees” program is their biggest problem. They have allowed and encouraged people to create a tree and post information that has not been documented on to their site and do nothing to correct it. Also, they allow their customers to use another customers information, which they have posted in good faith with documentation, before obtaining permission and when you complain to them about it they do nothing.

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