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August 04, 2008

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Keith Wilson

Hi Dick

The dates in the sample Gedcom file that you have used from Legacy does not actually comply with GEDCOM 5.5 Standard.

Keith

Bart Hingman

What's wrong the dates? They look fine to me.
But it is not a real Legacy file. Legacy does not add indentation.
Dick must have added that himself. It is wrong.

Jimmy Townsend

I have been taught, that if you are going to bring a question to the table, please bring a solution.

Vivian

Dick,

Thanks for the explanation of GEDCOM. I appreciate that you gave both non-technical and technical aspects of the data standard, because I am referring several friends to the article, and they would not understand the database explanation.

I remember dBASE II and can't imagine writing a genealogy database program in that language. Ugh.

genejoan

Dick,

Thanks for the information on gedcoms.

Since genealogy programs are databases, is it possible to import data from either another database or a spreadsheet? (assuming some familiarity with the process). What are the pros and cons of this process, if possible?

genejoan

Dick Eastman

Each genealogy program is different, depending upon the design parameters of the different programming teams.

The Master Genealogist allows for import/export via spreadsheets and databases. I believe that RootsMagic allows for exports only. I am not aware of any other genealogy programs with that capability, although there may be some.

- Dick Eastman

theKiwi

Reunion for Macintosh can both import and export a text based "spreadsheet" file.

The import doesn't allow for any linking to happen automagically, but it will let you choose what columns from the spreadsheet go to what fields in each person's record as they're imported.

Roger

Carolyn H Brown

Dick:

Like you I started computers back when we wired boards and shot packs of cards all over the floor when we dropped the boxes. I started on an Osborne CP/M system at home in 1980 and then had to re-enter the data when I changed programs. But fortunately when I went to DOS I went to PAF and stayed there until GEDCOM came along. I also beat the system some by turning my family group sheets into LDS in the early 1980's and they input my data into there system. I then downloaded it from their CD's at Salt Lake City to a GEDCOM and input it into my PAF program. They did a lot of the work for me.

Jean-Pierre

The trouble is that GEDCOM 6.0 is not coming at all. No single sign despite the fact that each year new genealogical programs or new versions of old programs are released. Although it is XML based, and has a better, clearer and more versatile format, it seems that no one started to push for. And the question is why? Here are a few hypotheses and my answers.

H1: Gedcom 5.5 does a decent enough job in converting genealogical data between various systems. Maybe there is no need for more features?
A1: true but there is room for a lot of improvements.

H2: No vendor wants to be the first to invest on writing programs to read and write gedcom 6 data where no one will follow them.
A2: true, but XML has other intrinsic advantages, for example, it can be displayed by internet explorer

H3: Maybe the new standard was not developed with more players such as genealogical software companies and with their commitments?
A3: Likely true. Was developed by LDS.

H4: Does support of Gedcom 6 bring any business advantage to a company or to an end user?
A4: It reduces the dependency of the end user from the software tools.

And maybe a de-facto standard will replace GECOM 5.5.

If Gedcom 6 does not show up, then something will come instead.

JimmyDaGeek

Dick,

The current GEDCOM 5.5 standard does, in fact, support embedded multimedia information. This is explained
here: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#MULTIMEDIA_RECORD
here: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#MULTIMEDIA_LINK and
here: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcappe.htm

The problem lies with the genealogy programs. As you can imagine, embedding multimedia information makes a GEDCOM file extremely large. My family tree is stored in a 1MB GEDCOM file, but my scanned documentation takes up over 1GB.

Richard

There are some genealogy programs that can export spreadsheet and database files, these include Family Tree Legends, MyHeritage Family Tree Builder (which incorporates funtionality from FT Legends), Clooz and The Master Genealogist to name just a few.

Just as propietary file formats such as Word .doc, Excel .xls have become popular despite not being designed as universal formats, Family Tree Maker's .ftw format is capable of being imported into some rival programs that offer this functionality (such as FT Legends, TMG and RootsMagic). Despite some flaws FTM is one of the most popular genealogy programs on the market, so may be the .ftw format may become a rival to GEDCOM over time.

Nick Stoddard

It seems from my perspective that companies are starting to focus much more on direct interaction between the internet and genealogy programs. Many genealogy programs are being changed to communicate directly with websites like FamilySearch and Ancestry. Because of this there is a dwindling need for gedcoms. Many programs now also allow you to import information directly from another popular program like Legacy, PAF, RootsMagic, and Family Tree Maker. Gedcoms are still useful, but seem to be going out of style.

Dick Eastman

---> The current GEDCOM 5.5 standard does, in fact, support embedded multimedia information.

Yes, as I wrote in the article, "The present GEDCOM implementation can point to the location of multimedia files on a hard drive. In theory, this should suffice. However, in my experience of moving data around in many genealogy programs, I have rarely seen multimedia files handled properly."

- Dick Eastman

theKiwi

----> Despite some flaws FTM is one of the most popular genealogy programs on the market, so may be the .ftw format may become a rival to GEDCOM over time.

Please no!!!!

Roger

Mary  B.

Would love to know what everyone's favorite genealogy program is as I am shopping for one. Not so much interested in sharing but more in having enough room to write a short bio or notes for each person as well as a good intense publishing program. Want something formal with out the "cheesy" robotic info I see with some of them. Leaning towards the Master Genealogist but wonder what anyone might not like about it? Mary B.

Roe L.

I've seen this word in writing but have never heard anyone say it out loud. Is is pronounced with a G like "garbage" or a G like "genealogy"?

Thanks from someone new to genealogy.

Mary

I have only heard it as "JEDCOM" and since the "G" stands for Genealogy I assume it is correct, but its a good question.

John Waters

Mr Eastman,

I find it sad that the release information on the various versions of GEDCOM on wikipedia mentions that GEDCOM 5.5 is the defacto standard from 1996, where as the "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" use (also from the wikipedia article) FamilySearch.org & "PAF 5.2 uses UTF-8 as its internal character set, a feature which was introduced in the GEDCOM 5.5.1 draft, and can output a UTF-8 GEDCOM."

I also notice that a number of alternate file formats using XML are listed genealogy programs eg:

1)Microsoft Family.Show - .familyx file format (Open Package Convention)(new format)

2)GenoPro uses XML as its core file format.(no one else seems to be using it)

3)GRAMPS - GRAMPS XML. (been around a while)(wikipedia list that other programs support this, but it looks more like grabbing at straws at the moment)

I hope that this is progress(!), maybe the program makers can be convinced to merge their formats and and support each other?

GeneJ

I would like to be able to export my own projects to other software. The GEDCOMs I work with today seem to fail when it comes to exporing or importing sources and citations.
We seem so in need of third party solutions that will allow us to communicate not only names, dates and events, but the important record of the evidence that supports our findings.
Me thinks we have grown much since 5.5. --GJ

Vera

Did anyone ever respond to a questioner as to what is their favorite genealogy program?

I love using iFamily for Leopard, but also wonder if there's one that would come in second to that. I've taken a very brief look at Mac software at the Apple store, but it seemed somewhat busy.

JimmyDaGeek

A correction about GEDCOM multimedia. The GEDCOM 5.5 format, of 2 Jan 1996, completely supports embedded multimedia files. The description for MULTIMEDIA_LINK explains it all. Since it is an ANSEL/ASCII representation of binary data, it expands the data by 1/3, making carrying around this embedded data unwieldy. It would have been nice if the standard defined a third option, using a companion file.

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