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Peter Bridge

And most of these disasters were caused by the 'money men' getting cold feet, not by the guys (ie: most of us) who manufacture/sell/buy goods that have a purpose and generally improve the lot of man. A real inditement of the policy of 'of the market knows best' that is expounded by current governments on both sides of The Pond.

Lorin Lund

If I may elaborate or clarify Traci's reference to 'people who have no business trying to buy them':

The banking industry is older than our country. They have had several hundred years experience figuring out what does work and what doesn't work. One aspect of the rules their experience has generated is guidelines on who can be counted on to repay their loans. This in terms of income to debt ratio and in terms of the persons track record in meeting financial obligations.

The government programs mentioned by Traci ended up putting pressure on banks to change their well-proven policies. Some banks who didn't comply were sued.

The traditional banking rules had put numbers on certain aspects of human nature. Human nature hasn't changed so government coercion of the banking industry was bound to lead to trouble. And now we've got it.

Its not a matter of the market knows best. Its a matter of you can't coerce a market without there being side effects. The economic track record of the decades of Communism demonstrate very well that markets can't be coerced.

When politicians try to buy votes by giving their constituents something that is ultimately in the control of a market (like minimum wage) there are eventually going to be repercussions and market adjustments that nullify the attempted over-ride.

Minimum wage actions lead to inflation which nullifies the buying power of that minimum wage hike. And penalizes everyone else in the process.

Geezer

Thanks for elaborating Lorin. "Decades of Communism"? Ditto 2 terms of fascism. Darn those poor and working class people! Let me guess - your income is over $250,000 and you have excellent employer paid medical and Daddy gave you the down payment on your house. Me to, but I don't begrudge it to the those who are less fortunate. And who's Traci?

Kathy Brady-Blake

Dick, Thanks for this posting. It is great having this summary to refer to.

Kateerie

To Geezer, I say this, "I'll bet your daddy didn't teach you how to stand on your own two feet and to find the facts and live with them as best you can." No, my daddy didn't give me the down payment on my house. With 13 children he couldn't afford that kind of extravagance, nor would he if he could. Because he taught us how to stand on our own two feet, to take responsibility for ourselves and not to be parasites on society. When I retired ten years ago, my salary was $20,800. per year and I didn't feel sorry for myself because I didn't have as much as one who inherited a bunch, or earned a bunch. My life is what I made of it and it is darned good! I lived within my means and have lived a happy fruitful life. You mention those who are less fortunate - most of those "less fortunate" people haven't made the most of their opportunities which abound in this country. We reep what we sow. You can be sure that I do have empathy for those less fortunate, but those are a small percentage of our population - not the hordes of lazy people who expect a handout at every street corner.

Peter Godbold

Hot, dang, Kateerie! Must make you feel mighty proud to to be able to push past all those "hordes of lazy people" expecting their undeserved handouts at every street corner! Just don't trip on the kerb, will you.

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