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Kathleen

Hi Dick,

Great news for the Haley and Baff families!

I would like to know what you would recommend for the amount of 'numbers' that would be best to use for a DNA test. I have wanted to purchase a test for my uncle, but have no clue to the appropriate (or best) numbers for the best results.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Kathleen~CT.

Sonia

It's great to see oral history validated by testing procedures. Our country has had such a difficult time dealing with ethnicity and I still see it when the "unusual" mtDNA L pops up in an European American family. Hopefully folks will realize that when an African American family "passed" for white, they lost contact with that part of their heritage - no one was going to "out" the family. So, the L might be that "rare" link to a few samples from Italy, or it might be that European American families "are not alone in having both white and black roots."

Roger

I think there is a mistake here. Queen could not pass Y-DNA to her grandson. Articles from 2007 about Chris Haley taking the DNA test say that Alec Haley was Alex Haley's grandfather.

Dick Eastman

The book was FICTIONAL although based on real people. Relationships were not the same in the book as in real life. The quote from the book shows father-son relationships which means that Y-chromosomes were passed down.

Kathleen

Very interesting and makes complete sense. I've wondered why Obama hasn't made more of what I understant is his Irish ancestry.

Ethel

As a female can I have my half uncle's grandson take the Y Chromosome test? My half uncle and his son and grandson are from the male line. This grandson is the only one living.
My half uncle's mother was a 1C 2R to me. This means that my grandfather had two sons from his first marriage and had my father from his second marriage.

As an alternative can I again as a female have my grandfather's brother's great grandson take the Y Chromosome test?

Dick Eastman

As long as the person taking the test has straight male ancestry from the common ancestor, no females in the line at all, the answer is "yes."

Jack Abramoff

Great article.

One interesting note, what one group of people call a "relationship" another call "Rape."
Semantics I guess.

Jack Abramoff

Great article.

One interesting note, what one group of people call a "relationship" another call "Rape."
Semantics I guess.

Chris Child

Very interesting article. One thing I think should be corrected:

It's written above:

"While the book was fictional, the characters in the book were based on real people: Alex Haley's paternal family tree. The lady called "Queen" was actually Alex Haley's paternal grandmother. The novel recounts Queen's anguished early years as a slave girl, longing to know who her father was. She eventually found that her father was Alec Haley, and we now know where Alex Haley got his name: from his great-grandfather Alec Haley."

Alec Haley is the grandfather of Alex Haley (not the great-grandfather), and is the husband, not the father, of Queen. Queen was the child of a slave named Easter and her master, James Jackson, Jr. Queen later married Alec Haley, the son of Scottish overseer William Baugh and Sabrina, a slave of the Haley plantation. Alec and Queen Haley left Alabama and lived in Tennessee and were the parents of Simon Alexander Haley (b. 1892), the father of Alex Haley.

Holly Watson

I am really interested in how you have put this together. I wish i could have something like this with my family.

Jennifer Campbell

I read this article and subsequent posts with great interest. I am a Black American and I am tracing all of my roots which also include my white ancestors. Another reason why I am interested is because one of my friends is a close cousin to Alex Haley who grew up in Savannah, TN. I first made the connection after she talked about a cousin named Queenie (it's a family name passed down through generations) and I noticed that Alex's family lived in Savannah for a while. I can't wait to tell her that she is part Scottish. I know her response will be hilarious.

tom flanagan

this may or may not be more than a publicity stunt.. with free trips for the parties involved.

many people in england belong to a broad group of Atlantic Modal Haplotype Y-DNA and its VERY COMMON to get hundreds of exact or nearly exact ''matches'' with someone in this large group that includes much of the british isles..

we would really need to know how many alleles these families matched on 12,24,36..more ??) beacuse if this is a 12 marker AMH Y-dna match, on what we KNOW is the most common (R1b) european DNA Hg, then this is totally meaningless..

all it proves is they are both related for thousands of years to almost all the rest of europe.

Dick Eastman

I was there and talked at length with both the individuals and with Megan Smolenyak (a well known DNA expert) who was involved in the testing. There were no free trips involved nor any other form of promotion. The two men tested matched exactly on 37 markers.

- Dick Eastman

Mark Arslan

I am the coordinator of the Baugh DNA Project at http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/baugh. Take at look at the y-Results page (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/baugh/results) and you can see how closely the Baff DNA sample matches a cluster of Baughs in the USA who are descended from William Baugh, who immigrated to Virginia in the mid-1600s and is the ancestor of many Baughs now living in the USA. William Baugh is the subject of the Baugh Genealogy web site (http://arslanmb.org/baugh/baugh.html).

Several members of this Baugh family moved to the South. The Alabama overseer William Baugh is probably one of this family.

If we could get more of the direct male descendants of the various Baugh, Baff, Baw, etc. families to join the Baugh DNA Project, we should be able to confirm this connection, but the evidence looks very compelling.

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