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Shirley Fields

I'm waiting for the day that adding to any of these databases REQUIRES source information! Until that day, too much junk is being added. I would love to share my information and invite others to share with me but without standards that require credible documentation, I don't want anyone adding to or changing what I have worked hard to verify.

Duncan Ness

I'm with Shirley Fields on this. There's far too much "junk genealogy" out there already. Information without sources is useless and I see no reason to pay for it.

Margaret

I have been contacted by a researcher via ancestry.com about our shared roots. I was invited to her site and enjoyed the photos that I had never seen. Then I began to notice that photos, whose originals I have, were mislabeled. She has been "grabbing" and including materials from other researchers of the same surname. The problem is that families sent their group photos to other siblings, cousins. The photos were saved, unlabeled, and descendents of the savers then sought to identify them as their own direct ancestors.

Yes, there is so much "junk" out there that I prefer to keep my own research as uncluttered as possible. I will share a CD with others of scans of documents and photos that I have and I will attempt to notify them of errors in the hope they make the necessary corrections to their information. I will not upload my information and get it blended with other peoples' quickly-assembled genealogy.

Margaret

I meant to add and should have begun my post with:

Thanks, Dick, for a very informative article on the subject! You have the gift of making a confusing subject clear to non-technical folks.

hslanham

Dick, another thanks for pulling all of this info together in a non-techie format.
I have gone in the direction of having my own website and putting The Next Generation
software on my site so that I can control the information and still share it with fellow
family researchers. Unfortunately, TNG has not been user friendly for me. I had to have
a techie friend set me up. And I am still having trouble uploading info because for me
it has not been user friendly.
But I did see your review of the TNG handbook which I will have to buy to figure out what
I am trying to do.
Honey Lanham

Steve Knowles

Hi Dick,

Interesting and useful, as usual. My personal favourite (not listed above) is Geni.com, which is purely cloud-based (no local client). It is also free, although you can pay for some enhanced features/services. It's not perfect, but it is certainly part of this wave, and is doing a remarkably good job, IMO.

theKiwi

>I am not aware of any available Macintosh or Linux programs that access the APIs of NewFamilySearch. I suspect that such programs will be available within a year or two, however.

Ohana Software have a product called "Family Insight" that work on Macintosh and can interface with New Family Search.

http://www.ohanasoftware.com/?sec=learnmore/familyinsight

I got the trial version installed on my Mac Pro running Mac OS X 10.5.6 and it works to search the IGI. I haven't used it for any of its other capabilities, like editing and saving information - I just fed it a GEDCOM file of my family exported from Reunion. Here's a screen shot of it working

http://lisaandroger.com/images/FamilyInsight.png

I don't have access to the actual New Family Search since I'm not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, so can't tell how it works with that aspect of it.

Roger

Don Jaggi

I would say that cloud computing is in the stage of where genealogy was when computers were introduced to genealogy many years ago. It will evolve into a user friendly platform with all the bells and whistles. I use a php program on the internet and am very happy with it. I have complete control over what goes on the site and can enter sources and pictures, histories, and the integrity of my research is persevered A php site is like have your genealogy program on the internet; any where in the world I can log on and enter more information. I must admit that it needs better functionality and I'm sure as time goes by it will improve. Google has indexed my database.
I also put sourceless gedcoms on various sites. This is really a good way to contact people. It has to be remembered that everything out there should be verified with records. I share records here and there and I get records in return thereby building a more reliable genealogy for little cost. I think people want to be correct. If no correct gedcom it out there then no one will know any different. It is better to be proactive.

Bob Voorhees

Dick,
Good article on an important subject. I hope you will talk with some of the other genealogy software vendors such as Family Tree Maker, Master Genealogist, Legacy Family Tree, etc to get their perspective and plans in this important area. Sophisticated functionality must be maintained no matter where the software resides.

Don Jaggi

We all use different genealogy programs. Am I one day going to go to the library and login and see my exact program and database I have at home and know that my database is preserved in the cloud.

Gwen M.McCullagh

My thanks also Dick for this article. I share the previous commentators reluctance to use undocumented data or expose my own hard won data to corruption.I am a long time member of Ancestry.com but its Family Trees I view as a liability to researchers rather than an asset. Surely, it could not be difficult to block submission of data lacking sources? That would of course include the "reference" and "source" that I find most irritating "Family trees"

Penny Holt

Terrific article, Dick. I agree with the other comments, though. The family that I am researching is mostly in the UK, but I am the main researcher here in Canada. I love sharing with them, but distance makes it awkward. Also, frequently I find incomplete information with no or incorrect references, or just wrong stuff. Often they are just memories, and we all have our own perceptions. I'm not implying anything malicious -- just errors. I've become the 'prove it' person.

In an ideal world what I would like is something like cloud computing, but with a restricted number of administrators. Invited people only could tentatively add stuff, and the administrator would be immediately notified. Other invited family members would be able to comment on it. The addition would not be confirmed in the database until the administrator verified it. If there is argument, there could be a separate family forum for that restricted to family members or invited guests. I guess I'm describing some kind of family wiki, but I'm not savvy enough to be sure.

It would also have to be pretty technologically simple and user friendly. I'm not of the MySpace generation. I still use books. A lot of us are the same.

I'm very fussy that every fact should have a source and citation, and I don't want to lose control over the database that I've worked so hard on. For this family anyway, they are happy to have me do all the hard work and they chip in now and again, so this way works for them, too. I suspect many other families work that way too.

Dick Eastman

While I agree with the need for more accuracy, I am not sure how that ties in with cloud computing. It strikes me as two separate issues.

Accuracy has always been a problem in genealogy. Go into any well-equipped genealogy library and pull a few family history books off the shelf at random and examine the information closely. Some of them were published 100 years ago, others are much more recent. However, almost all of them have glaring errors. The quality obviously varies from book to book, depending upon how dedicated the author was to quality. But a high percentage of these old books had major fairy tales in them. There are tales of castles and knighthood and descent from kings and coats of arms and all that stuff. That might be accurate in a few cases but not for all the books that have been published with those claims.

Most genealogy books also have errors in the various families listed: women giving birth at the age of three, men marrying women seventy years older than themselves and then raising families, etc. For evidence, I will offer the thick book on my family name. It is probably 98% accurate but that still leaves a few hundred errors.

These are appalling, of course, but have nothing to do with cloud computing. The new technologies simply we all enjoy today still allow sloppy genealogists to continue publishing fairy tales in the manner they always have.

So let's be distinct: is it a problem with cloud computing? or is it a problem with human beings?

- Dick Eastman

Lawrence Bouett

Dick,

Until, and unless, everyone using the database adheres to the same standards of documentation and evaluation of genealogical information (read: my standards ...), I'll keep my data on my HD, where it belongs. There is nothing wrong with the technology; it's the use that troubles me. Too many people are simply ancestor gatherers, and that's not my style.

Doug

The concept of cloud computing is a thing that has arrived for many applications but I doubt if it is going to be hugely successful for genealogy. Unfortunately we have all seen people grab work others have done and republish it as their own. Just look at RootsWeb Family Trees. Some indicate that they have gotten the material from someone's GEDCOM but many/most do not.

The major problem is that errors get embedded and there is no way to track them back much less get them corrected.

Can you imagine thousands of people working on the same file all arguing about who is right or simply changing the data because that is what they found on RootsWeb? Sounds like chaos to me!

I post pictures on my personal web site but I'm about to delete them the next time I update it as there is no way I know that I can lock out their being pirated.

I like my personal approach which is to carry my genealogy files (including documentation) with me at all times on a flash drive. I also carry an operating copy of my genealogy software. This way I can work on my netbook in a library and move the flash drive to my desktop when I get home with no problems in synchronization.

Doug

The concept of cloud computing is a thing that has arrived for many applications but I doubt if it is going to be hugely successful for genealogy. Unfortunately we have all seen people grab work others have done and republish it as their own. Just look at RootsWeb Family Trees. Some indicate that they have gotten the material from someone's GEDCOM but many/most do not.

The major problem is that errors get embedded and there is no way to track them back much less get them corrected.

Can you imagine thousands of people working on the same file all arguing about who is right or simply changing the data because that is what they found on RootsWeb? Sounds like chaos to me!

I post pictures on my personal web site but I'm about to delete them the next time I update it as there is no way I know that I can lock out their being pirated.

I like my personal approach which is to carry my genealogy files (including documentation) with me at all times on a flash drive. I also carry an operating copy of my genealogy software. This way I can work on my netbook in a library and move the flash drive to my desktop when I get home with no problems in synchronization.

Rob

Doug, I have thought about an ideal solution that's somewhat similar to our Social Security numbers: give every documented and verified ancestor a permanent genealogical data number. It's like your SSN, it stays with you until death and no one else should use it in the future, it's permanent. The number is traceable to you and only you.

So giving each of your documented and verified ancestors a GDN is a good way of tracking all the documented/verified ancestors that born, lived and died on Earth (even unnamed/named children that were born and died within minutes). Since these ancestors would have GDNs, no one else would be able to control or manipulate the information or for any inappropriate reason (like lying, making up ancestral claims, deceiving others). A public federal agency on the matter of genealogies could do this BUT here's the catch: only citizens, genealogists and librarian scientists can work together on this (it runs like a public library and open to public).

If you have ancestors dating back to 500 years, bring the GED file to a computer bank, all the names will be processed and matched with specific ancestors based on closest results (search algorithm technology has improved in leaps and bounds). But no GDNs will be given until each ancestor must match to a correct ancestor already available in the databank. Granted, there were many ancestors with similar names but other useful clues and sources, if you have any, could narrow them down.

If you have previously submitted to DNA ancestry tests, that will be included to give proven ancestors GDNs.

I'm still brainstorming on this idea. It's not 100% perfect. But giving each proven ancestor a GDN would goes a long way in reducing inaccuracy and false relationship to almost a thing of past.

Holly Hendricks

I just attended the New England Archivists conference where we discussed Web 2.0 and concerns of authority, accuracy, and control.

One interesting "paradigm shift" I'm observing is the willingness of well-respected institutions (Library of Congress, MIT, Harvard, among others) to put archival materials out in Web 2.0 contexts (Flickr, Blogs, wikis, and so forth) and allow the greater community to add to, mark up, comment, and otherwise challenge traditional authority. Of course the institutions keep a "pure" and well-protected backup of all materials, but they are finding value in opening up traditional avenues of authority and "decentering" control and ownership of materials not under copyright.

One advantage is increased communication between institutions and much wider user communities. Another is gaining new information and credible corrections of long-held institutional assumptions, especially when sources are provided. Another is in allowing the user community to begin to "police" or correct itself as users respond to one another.

I want to keep a local copy of my TMG database intact and under my control, but I would not be averse to posting a copy in the cloud as long as my confidence levels in my own sources were also posted with it. I would be interested to see what was added, challenged, or enriched, and choose what I might add or change to my local data set.

The message at the conference was to try a few small projects with an open mind and see what positive results may emerge. For most formal archives, the most exciting aspect is that unlikely groups of users are finding, using, and yes, even repurposing their material (usually through RSS which feeds Web 2.0) as well as helping the owner gain new insights on old material from newly credible sources.

Thanks, Dick.

Jim Anderson

Another aspect of cloud computing which I am pursuing on behalf of my state society, is the use of an on-line database for member records management. As with most societies, we own no hardware and depend on our ever rotating cadre of volunteer treasurers to come up with their own system of tracking member dues. Every time we change treasurers, the new one comes up with his/her own system, often a complex spreadsheet, that can't be passed on easily to the next treasurer who has less familiarity with spreadsheets. A web based system, with all the prompts and error checking that can be built in, is the ultimate solution to this problem and, with appropriate privileges granted to other officers, can be used for our mailing lists, member interests records, surname booklets and first Family Documents.

Jade

Dick, thank you for the lucid explanation. One problem with the 'cloud' is that servers crash, due to hardware, electrical-supply or software-conflict problems, and server-owners may withdraw services without notice (as happened to my knowledge with one TNG-based web site).

As noted by others, the problems with cloud Trees include the large quantity of erroneous data. This includes NewFamilySearch, which is mainly based on the greatly erroneous IGI, so it joins the ranks of such laughable entities as Ancestry.com's "OneWorldTree."

For the present, evidence-based cloud Trees depend on the integrity of the individual compiler. Those who call for 'sources' to be given ought to be aware that the vast majority of Trees giving sources at all describe them as copied gedcoms, emails, etc. - not evidence.

So are there any strictly evidence-based cloud Trees accessible to the public?

Dick Eastman

I agree that cloud computing is not guaranteed to preserve data forever. Just like every place else in the business world, new companies appear, old companies sometimes declare bankruptcy, some companies get bought out by others and merged, etc. The only thing different in cloud computing is that the host company can make backups that will help insure against hardware problems. Those backups do not protect against business problems, however.

As with any other application, it is important to make frequent backups of your data. That is true for cloud computing just as it is for any application installed in your desktop or laptop computer.

As to data integrity, I don't see any difference with cloud computing versus any other kind of computing. Data integrity has been a problem for genealogists for thousands of years and I suspect it will continue to be a problem for another one hundred years or so until we do get massive online databases that do contain verified information about every scrap of information about every human who ever lived and left records behind.

I don't expect to see that in my lifetime.

I don't see any difference in cloud computing when compared to any other kind of computing or even when compared to printed books. They ALL contain significant errors.

- Dick Eastman

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