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July 08, 2009

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Doug Detling

Very well said. The success rate (or lack thereof) reminded me of the adage that 99.9% of all statistics are made up.

John

You and I may not be able to do much with this information, but a good hacker with a botnet program could make some headway pretty quickly...

ankt

I think it might just occasionally work when the folks have lived in placed their whole lives if they are actually trying to guess your ssn. I was born in Germany and lived in six different states before I received my ssn. So I think mine might be harder.

Jason Presley

I don't see how a good hacker with a botnet could make any more headway with this approach. They'd have to have both a list of existing SS account holders as well as some way of validating whether or not they number they guessed was correct. It's easy to pair semi-random numbers up with a name, but how do you verify accuracy without setting off all kinds of red flags? Obviously the people doing this test had a pre-existing list of names and numbers and were attempting to make them match. Otherwise how would they ever know that 445-98-0012 was Bob Dobalina's SSN?

Roger Barnes

Think of it this way, the last four digits are often used as a security code. If someone is able to obtain the last four digits of your SSN and they can find out or guess where you were born, the chances of them figureing your complete SSN is substantially higher.

Ron Madle

While I completely agree with the difficulty of guessing the last four digits, this does raise some concerns since some agencies still use the last four digits of the SSAN as an identifier. For example, some financial institutions actually use these digits, although the practice is lessening. If these were intercepted this would suggest the probability of constructing the whole SSAN would be much higher. Of course this has little to do with the SSDI or genealogy.

Noreen Blair

Many years ago I worked for Social Security. I don't know about present cards but my own card states, "NOT TO BE USED FOR PURPOSES OF IDENTIFICATION." Whoa! How far we have come!

Betty Clay

How can the security of a SSN be all that important when it has appeared on every hospital admission, every deed made, every legal document signed, every loan, every bank account, every credit card application - for decades?

Betty

HistoryLady

Some of this buzz started up again recently because of a Washington Post article on Monday (July 6). Legitimate newspapers seem to stir the pot best.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955.html

JimmyDaGeek

Forget the statistics. They are arbitrary. You apparently didn't read to the bottom of the article you linked to:

"That may still seem moderately secure if it weren't for some realities of the modern online world. The authors point out that many credit card verification services, recognizing the challenges of data entry from illegible forms, may allow up to two digits of the SSN to be wrong, provided the date and place of birth are accurate. They often allow several failed verification attempts per IP address before blacklisting it. Given these numbers, the authors estimate that even a moderate-sized botnet of 10,000 machines could successfully obtain identity verifications for younger residents of West Virginia at a rate of 47 a minute."

In other words, a determined hacker with a list of names, birthplaces, and birthdates, can start harvesting SSNs. This can be done leisurely, running 24/7. Don't be so quick to poo-poo concepts you aren't familiar with.

Jason Presley

But as you just said, the "determined hacker" still needs 75% of the person's vital details to be able to find that last 25%. The chances are better of them just grabbing one of these laptops filled with SSN information that seem to be so popular these days. It's more surprising at this point that everyone's SSN isn't already publicly known considering how terrible the security of banking and government organizations seems to be.

Jane

I'm not sure just how random the last 4 digits are. A girlfriend and I applied for our numbers together and our SS numbers are identical except for the last digits which are consecutive.

Bari

A friend went to the Peekskill, NY Soc Sec Office to confirm his mother's SS#, and reported to them that someone else is using that number. They said there was nothing they could do about someone else using the number! Well, if they can't, who can?

Kate

Unfortunately, As I just found out, you don't need to be a hacker to obtain SS #'s. In the era of the net, all you have to do is visit your local clerk of court's website! A good percentage of public records have your SS# on them. I was doing a random check of my mine and my husband's records and Boom! There was our numbers right on the website for everyone to see! The real kicker? You didn't need to register, log in or have ANY of our info to find this. Just click on property records, loans, whatever you wish, and then on any name you like! All the info was there for someone to completely assume our identity. Names, numbers, addresses, birth dates.. it was all there. I'm totally unsettled by this. How can the *government* post sensitive info like this for the world to see?!?! There really needs to be redaction law requiring them to remove the data or black it our before posting it.
Go ahead, check your clerk of court website, you'll be *unpleasantly* surprised too.

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