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Terri England

For the historical record, the "Thanksgiving" held by the people of the Mayflower (who were only much later called Pilgrims) was only a harvest feast and not one repeated year after year until 1817 when New York adopted it as an annual custom and later President Lincoln proposed it as an annual custom for the whole of the US. The term "thanksgiving" in those days was more of a religious custom giving thanks to God for any reason deemed necessary and could be any time of the year. Furthermore, the Natives of the area (the Wampanoag and Massasoit) weren't technically invited to the Thanksgiving but hearing guns fire and in fear for their lives they investigated, found a party going on, went out and killed deer and turkey and brought their own food to the party.

While Thanksgiving is certainly an important part of American culture its origins are clouded in a great deal of myth pumped up by writers from the North to lend greater credence to the landing of the Mayflower peoples over their Southern brethren and above those of Jamestown who arrived almost 2 decades earlier. Given that, as far as historical accuracy is concerned we should also have a "Jamestown Day."

Terri England

Craig Kilby

Dick, interesting story but surely you know that (1) the first Thanksgiving was held at Jamestown, the first permanent English Colony in Amercia, not Plimouth and (2) we cannot know what was on the "Pilgrim" menu as these people did not call themselves "pilgrims" These people were half "Separatists" and half "Strangers" i.e, Anglicans. But no "pilgrims." Let's not fudge up our history here for the sake of a good story.

Dick Eastman

---> but surely you know that (1) the first Thanksgiving was held at Jamestown,

That is open to debate. The first Thanksgiving in North America was held on April 30, 1598 by Spanish nobleman Don Juan de Oñate and a group of settlers near what is now El Paso, Texas. However, the exact location is unknown and may have been in what is now Mexico. Don Juan de Oñate wrote about that Thanksgiving later but neglected to give the exact location.

I wrote about that several years ago and the article is still online at http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/11/the_first_thank.html

In the new article about the Pilgrims' Thanksgiving in 1621, I didn't say it was the first Thanksgiving although I did say it was "their first Thanksgiving," which is true. I also didn't say that the Pilgrims held any annual feasts. That didn't happen until much, much later. As far as we know, the 1621 Thanksgiving was a one-time event.

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Leslie Canavan

Craig Kilby's post is pushing a bit too far. We all call them Pilgrims as a term to describe the Mayflower passengers, but Dick's article was well written in that he tells us, and he's not the first, what the people of the Mayflower said in their own words, then we must extrapolate based upon other sources. Dick's assessment of what they might have eaten is very accurate. There was no tea because tea was unknown in Europe/England in 1621. Dick's article was not meant to be an historically accurate document, but a good article for the general reader on a timely subject. We Mayflower descendants appreciate it!

Nancy Ross

The pilgrims would have had honey to sweeten dishes. It would have been available for the taking. And it is very probable that they would have learned to grind corn to make flatbread. So, although there was no flour-they may have had some form of corn bread.

Dae Powell

No ovens, thus no pies. Yet we have those who wish to "mince" words over the whole matter. Let's just be Thankful, shall we?

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Tomie Jo Price

The menu is not of primary importance. 0f primary importance is their belief in God, their faithfullness to Him, and their THANKSFULLNESS to Him for their blessings,which, by our standards, were limited.
Jo Price; Nov. 15,09

Sharryn Clark

Tis good ovens were not available for pumpkin pie, as the kind of squash or pumpkin available, would have not been very good pie filling!

polly shaw

Since the exact date of the 1st Thanksgiving is unknown, perhaps it was after the arrival of the Fortune which brought other passengers and maybe some sugar??? -- pshaw

ArnoldChamove

Ovens: these are basic and easy to construct for bread and other baking. In New Zealand pumpkin is baked and also added to soups to thicken and sweeten it. I never recall eating pumpkin in Britain until about 30 years ago.

Wonder if spawning salmon were available on the East coast. In Scotland it was a poor-man's diet and there were regulations prohibiting the feeding of salmon every night to workers (like mutton today here in New Zealand)

In Britain in those days a person would bring their own knife and spoon when visiting for a meal. I suspect that people would carry a small 10" knife around in their belts like farmers do today and use that for meals too.

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